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and it hits me oh my gosh this is that

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triangle you know there's explanation

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for everything that occurred in the

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renal chambers incident that doesn't

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involve aliens at all it was completely

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silent it comes right over our heads he

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saw a

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classic flying saucer really standing in

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the clearing he turned over to my father

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and held his hand and he looked in his

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welcome to podcast ufo for our live show

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we're live every wednesday on the dark

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matter radio network please remember to

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to the show i'm martin willis your host

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and we're coming at you live like every

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wednesday at 9 00 pm eastern standard

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time on the dark matter radio network we

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have another great show for you tonight

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our guest this evening is ryan mullahy

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he was on several episodes ago i think

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talking about a particular case he's a

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writer and a ufo researcher and we're

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going to talk about different aspects of

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the ufo field this evening and i've got

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to know ryan and he has a lot of

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integrity and he and i are you know kind

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of speak the same language when it comes

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to ufos so it should be a good show

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tonight most of you probably heard that

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our regular guest stanton t friedman had

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a heart attack and i've been

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communicating with his very close friend

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kathleen martin

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and her direct quote is

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quote stan had a mild heart attack on

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friday night he's now feeling chipper

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and resting in the hospital while he

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awaits further testing his doctors have

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advised him to rest and recuperate so

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he's had to cancel his upcoming

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engagements in roswell

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new mexico and in cherry hill new jersey

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and we're all pulling for you stan

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and we need you in this field so have

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yourself a speedy recovery and on a even

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sadder note i hate to bring up the sad

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news but a guest that i really enjoyed

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last year

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terry hansen he was rather on the young

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side and he passed away from a massive

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heart a massive heart attack massive

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coronary in his sleep last thursday on

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researcher robert hastings is a very

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good friend of terry's and he wrote me

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that quote terry was a pioneer in a

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first class act

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unquote he was mostly noted for his book

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the missing times

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show i wanted him back and here's just a

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our home page uh here's a quick clip of

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of evidence there that the

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national enquirer was was covering the

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ufo topic because of gene pope's

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uh affiliation with the central

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intelligence agency

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life on boy you know i don't know how

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insulate enceladus it's the

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hi martin and listeners well the

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possible haunts of et or at least

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extraterrestrial microbes are moving

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further out into our solar system from

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mars to jupiter and its moon europa to

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saturn's titan and most recently to its

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icy moon enceladus this

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saturn's 62 moons and was discovered in

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spacecraft has made several flybys of

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the 500 kilometer diameter moon over the

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emanate from fractures and striations

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around the south pole that planetary

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that there's an ocean up to 10

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kilometers in depth and the size of lake

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requirements of life are water energy

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enceladus as a better candidate for the

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discovery of life than europa due to its

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thin crust and outgassing of water vapor

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well he says geezers we say geysers in

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the us but you know what i bet those

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brits are right they're probably saying

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it the right way we're murdering their

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language as usual and so right now i

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want to thank you andy but if you're

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bar it's a quick sign in and how are you

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ryan

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how you doing mars thanks for having me

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again yes uh i really enjoyed having you

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uh on last time and i've been fun

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can you quickly uh throw that out there

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sure i'm going to be at the 2014 exeter

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ufo festival which is in exeter new

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in time so this year will be the fifth

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local charities so it's it's really good

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i'm going to be there i'm going to have

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hopefully i heard what happened

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gets well soon yeah that's right you

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world out there so i'm going to play

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say more

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that's it okay

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harry on ufos and i've been in roswell

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new mexico and i know they exist

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i cannot possibly believe we're the only

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things around i can't believe that i

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really can't they're there

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but they're friendly

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board

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what you know a lot of people feel like

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oh my god don't add that to my life i

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already have too much going on

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you know

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definitely yeah i think i think

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sometimes unless you know you've had had

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a sighting yourself or for whatever

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reason you develop a you know a deep

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interest in the subject it a lot of

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times it falls into that category for

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people where you know they may be

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interested or open but they're just you

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know busy living their lives doing

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things so they're just not

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you know into looking to it personally

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yeah so you were on quite a while ago

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several months ago so just for a quick

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recap can you tell the listening

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audience who you are and i know you had

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a couple sightings so um can you just

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talk you know kind of briefly about all

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that

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sure so basically

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in the late 90s i had a ufo sighting in

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new hampshire and after i had the

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sighting you know i just was pretty

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blown away and you know i wanted to try

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and find as much information i could

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find on ufo sightings in new hampshire

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and you know new england in general so

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that that's how i got started doing my

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research and you know as i went on i

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just you know found a lot of really

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interesting cases and i just found that

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new hampshire had a really interesting

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ufo history

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obviously the instant exeter case and

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betty and barney hill are two you know

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cases that come to mind right away but

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there's also a lot of really great other

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cases that are you know lesser known so

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the more i started looking into the

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subject you know because of my own

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sighting

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i just started getting into the history

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of the ufo phenomenon in new hampshire

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and you know the more i went on that

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became my focus so in 2011 i started new

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hampshire ufo research which basically

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what i do is i research the history of

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the ufo phenomena in new hampshire and

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i've written research articles on it and

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i'm also working on

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a new website where it'll be a

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research-based website where people can

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go and they can access a lot of the

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research that i've you know retrieved

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and use that as a tool

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now do you source

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do you source your your findings

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as far as my articles yes

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i always have a reference list at the

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bottom yes i always list my sources and

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you know one of the things that we

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talked about last time and just for the

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person that didn't listen uh actually we

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have a lot

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more new listeners since um since you

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were on last time

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um you

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are kind of the person that uncovered

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this

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um when that was floating around the

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internet saying the earliest ufo picture

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in the world uh you kind of uncovered

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that it was a it was some type of

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structure in the snow that made it look

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like a cloud

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that was pretty great that was pretty

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that was a stereo what's called

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in the antique world here i am again a

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stereo opticon view card

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and what it is it's a it's a stereo card

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so when you look at it in these glasses

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it's kind of like the 3d it it actually

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gives a 3d effect

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exactly

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and uh do you want to talk about

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uncovering that just i know some

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listeners have already heard that but

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just briefly uh what you did yeah sure

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basically it was just a picture that you

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know surfaced in the early 2000s and you

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know i was always fascinated by it but

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the picture itself um

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was a cropped version of the photo that

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you're referring to which was the

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stereoscopic photo so

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you didn't get the full perspective of

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the original photo by this you know the

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photo that was first circulating when it

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was claimed to be a ufo so over the

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years you know i was always fascinated

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by it and

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you know i go back to it and eventually

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i came across an article that named the

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actual photographers who took the photos

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so that kind of gave me more to search

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with because now i had the names of the

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photographers so i was able to find that

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the new york public library had a set of

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these stereo photos and they had the

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original photo

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and you know once you view that photo

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you can see the full photo and the

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perspective and you know it becomes very

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clear that it's an object on the snow on

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the surface of mount washington now i

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can't take all the credit for it because

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you know this photos fascinated a number

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of people and there's been a number of

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blog posts and you know forum posts

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about it and you know which i do

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reference in my article so you know

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basically what i did is once i found

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those photos it became very apparent

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that it was not an object in the sky and

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then through some of the clues that

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other people

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had listed

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there's a book for example on the

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expedition that talks about the

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photography pretty in depth so that was

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a really good piece of evidence because

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there was no mention of you know any

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sort of strange things in the sky from

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the photographers and there was also a

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list with all the names of the

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photographs and the name of the

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photograph was listed as frost

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architecture and if you look at this

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particular photo it

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looks like you know a frost structure on

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the surface of mount washington with

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some unknown object in the center of it

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um so so that's basically you know just

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from doing some research and you know

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looking for different evidence and you

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know

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referencing some other people that did

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some good work i just kind of brought it

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all together because

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you know i found that

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there's still a lot of sites even till

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now there's still a lot of sites that

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haven't taken this photo down and

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haven't acknowledged you know the the

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things that i brought forward so it's

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it's just a good example of how

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sometimes in ufology when something

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takes hold it's

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you really get to kind of get people's

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attention to try and get things you know

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corrected that's right and that's going

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to be a lot about our topic tonight

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those type of things you know for

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instance the ufos and religious

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paintings have you know more or less

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been debunked and

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and there's reasons behind all that and

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you can see that

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you know i'm

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not one to jump on anyone's debunking

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bandwagon but after i watched these

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videos on youtube basically very

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scientifically debunking

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what these images are

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that were painted these iconic

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images what appears to be like a flying

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saucer

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was typical in painting

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and i encourage people to check that out

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on youtube there's a guy that really

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takes his time he's not mean in any type

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of way he just explains what these

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things are and uh but if you go on the

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internet right now all over the internet

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you'll find images

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and and actually in some documentaries

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too that show these uh so-called ufos

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and early renaissance paintings um we

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have uh the message board going here and

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anyone can jump over on it if you're

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listening live just go to

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podcastufo.com it's right on the sidebar

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real real easy sign in and we have a

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question up there now does ryan know of

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any ancient or historic american indian

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legends of ufos or et in the new

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hampshire or northern new england region

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well there you know i've done a bit of

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reading up on that and

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it's it's a little bit difficult because

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um

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the way the indians would you know kind

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of refer to different things and

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phenomenon was based a lot on their

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belief system and and

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you know

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so

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there were things that i came across in

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new hampshire and maine that um you know

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weren't blatant you know we saw a ufo

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but you know were things where they saw

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glowing i think they called them

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carbuncles on mountains and you know

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things where there shouldn't be light so

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i have come across you know some stuff

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like that but nothing really ultra

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concrete specific to you know ufos yeah

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no no

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you've never heard of like any drawings

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on rocks like they have like say in

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arizona i think there's actually some in

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massachusetts

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yeah not i haven't heard of anything

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specific to ufos in new hampshire right

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yeah okay well um

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we're going to talk a little bit about

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abductions later but right now i wanted

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to talk about you know sort of

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what it's like trying to police these

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type of situations that get out of hand

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and um

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you know it's it's to police them it's

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good for everybody and i'm actually

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pretty excited because on

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july 29th on her show then i have a girl

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that calls herself

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sheila aliens

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she's a young girl probably in her 20s

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and she has been calling out people

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that are scamming on youtube on youtube

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with hoax videos i mean she i mean she

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takes them on you know head on and uh

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there's actually a great skype interview

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of her

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um uh head to head with the guy from

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third phase of the moon she's calling

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him out on all his hoaxes and it is the

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hoaxes that

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hoaxes and the myths that get carried

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away that muddy the waters and make it

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more difficult for the real researchers

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the people that take this serious

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to gain any ground

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and you've been involved in some things

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that go along those lines i'm not sure

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if you want to talk about any specifics

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but uh that's more or less your your

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thoughts

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yeah i don't know but i want to get into

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anything specific but you know i think

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that you know i think those those

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situations you know they do arise from

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time to time and you know i think it's

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important

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you know where this subject is you know

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it's there's a lot of ridicule and

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doubt behind it and you know it also you

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know due to its ambiguous nature it can

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attract people that you know maybe don't

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have the best intentions that they see

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the opportunity

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to take advantage of it because it is an

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ambiguous thing so i think it's

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important to call people out you know if

555
00:21:05,029 --> 00:21:02,880
you see something that isn't right or

556
00:21:07,350 --> 00:21:05,039
inaccurate you know i think it's really

557
00:21:09,110 --> 00:21:07,360
important to do that um you know but

558
00:21:11,669 --> 00:21:09,120
it's it's a double-edged sword because

559
00:21:13,669 --> 00:21:11,679
then at the same token you know

560
00:21:16,070 --> 00:21:13,679
it's very easy to get caught up in the

561
00:21:17,830 --> 00:21:16,080
you know the ufological you know back

562
00:21:20,149 --> 00:21:17,840
and forth in fighting and things like

563
00:21:21,590 --> 00:21:20,159
that that i try to avoid but i think

564
00:21:24,390 --> 00:21:21,600
it's important you know if something's

565
00:21:27,190 --> 00:21:24,400
inaccurate or you see something you know

566
00:21:29,590 --> 00:21:27,200
that's deceptive it's important to you

567
00:21:30,870 --> 00:21:29,600
know politely point it out for the

568
00:21:32,390 --> 00:21:30,880
greater good

569
00:21:34,149 --> 00:21:32,400
yeah because you know what what happens

570
00:21:36,390 --> 00:21:34,159
as time goes on

571
00:21:38,950 --> 00:21:36,400
if there's if there's something that's

572
00:21:41,750 --> 00:21:38,960
you know misquoted or

573
00:21:45,190 --> 00:21:41,760
something that is is an entire myth

574
00:21:47,590 --> 00:21:45,200
that um is um

575
00:21:48,870 --> 00:21:47,600
you know uh said over and over again

576
00:21:50,870 --> 00:21:48,880
the next thing you know it sort of

577
00:21:54,230 --> 00:21:50,880
becomes part of the story and it's awful

578
00:21:57,029 --> 00:21:54,240
hard to shake now we had someone on the

579
00:21:58,950 --> 00:21:57,039
forum message board recently

580
00:22:00,230 --> 00:21:58,960
that was really going out one of our

581
00:22:02,149 --> 00:22:00,240
past guests

582
00:22:05,110 --> 00:22:02,159
because he mentioned i'm not going to

583
00:22:07,270 --> 00:22:05,120
get into the specifics of it but the

584
00:22:08,950 --> 00:22:07,280
past guest that i had

585
00:22:11,350 --> 00:22:08,960
mentioned a

586
00:22:13,270 --> 00:22:11,360
situation with timing

587
00:22:15,990 --> 00:22:13,280
of a witness

588
00:22:18,390 --> 00:22:16,000
that was on one show

589
00:22:21,110 --> 00:22:18,400
a number of years ago and then when he

590
00:22:25,110 --> 00:22:21,120
was on my show he was calling it as fact

591
00:22:27,430 --> 00:22:25,120
and that uh that really upset this guy

592
00:22:29,430 --> 00:22:27,440
so um and that's what happens because

593
00:22:31,830 --> 00:22:29,440
you know a lot of these myths can

594
00:22:33,430 --> 00:22:31,840
actually turn into believable facts and

595
00:22:34,950 --> 00:22:33,440
they get printed in books

596
00:22:36,950 --> 00:22:34,960
and next thing you know they're you know

597
00:22:40,230 --> 00:22:36,960
on tv people are watching it and you

598
00:22:42,470 --> 00:22:40,240
know swallowing it um and it's really

599
00:22:44,390 --> 00:22:42,480
difficult you know for instance roswell

600
00:22:46,310 --> 00:22:44,400
i'm sure that's a mixture

601
00:22:48,149 --> 00:22:46,320
of a lot of myths along with a lot of

602
00:22:50,789 --> 00:22:48,159
really hard facts and it's hard to tell

603
00:22:53,350 --> 00:22:50,799
what's real and what's not anymore

604
00:22:54,950 --> 00:22:53,360
i agree i agree and you know that's part

605
00:22:56,310 --> 00:22:54,960
of what i've tried to do you know with

606
00:22:57,909 --> 00:22:56,320
my research is

607
00:23:00,230 --> 00:22:57,919
you know a lot of these new hampshire

608
00:23:02,549 --> 00:23:00,240
cases you know two two or three come to

609
00:23:04,310 --> 00:23:02,559
mind the oldest own ufo photo was one

610
00:23:06,549 --> 00:23:04,320
there's a few others you know these are

611
00:23:09,270 --> 00:23:06,559
cases that i just was initially looking

612
00:23:11,510 --> 00:23:09,280
at because i was fascinated by them and

613
00:23:13,750 --> 00:23:11,520
in my investigation or research into

614
00:23:15,510 --> 00:23:13,760
them you know i should say

615
00:23:17,510 --> 00:23:15,520
that's when you know things started to

616
00:23:18,230 --> 00:23:17,520
surface that called them into questions

617
00:23:19,110 --> 00:23:18,240
so

618
00:23:21,669 --> 00:23:19,120
you know

619
00:23:23,750 --> 00:23:21,679
for me it's always just about trying to

620
00:23:26,470 --> 00:23:23,760
find the best information and you know

621
00:23:28,710 --> 00:23:26,480
that's when i first had my sighting i

622
00:23:30,549 --> 00:23:28,720
found it very hard to

623
00:23:32,630 --> 00:23:30,559
you know get good information and you

624
00:23:34,390 --> 00:23:32,640
know there's all these people with books

625
00:23:36,710 --> 00:23:34,400
and you know who's credible who isn't

626
00:23:38,789 --> 00:23:36,720
you know so you know that's why what i'm

627
00:23:39,590 --> 00:23:38,799
trying to do for new hampshire is to

628
00:23:40,870 --> 00:23:39,600
just

629
00:23:43,110 --> 00:23:40,880
go through

630
00:23:44,710 --> 00:23:43,120
all the available stuff and really take

631
00:23:47,029 --> 00:23:44,720
a look and if there's you know anything

632
00:23:49,590 --> 00:23:47,039
new that i can come up with or if

633
00:23:51,750 --> 00:23:49,600
something doesn't you know quite

634
00:23:53,190 --> 00:23:51,760
pan out um you know just point it out

635
00:23:54,950 --> 00:23:53,200
and let people you know make the

636
00:23:56,789 --> 00:23:54,960
decision for themselves i try to you

637
00:23:57,750 --> 00:23:56,799
know i try not to

638
00:24:00,310 --> 00:23:57,760
um

639
00:24:02,230 --> 00:24:00,320
you know make any final determinations

640
00:24:04,070 --> 00:24:02,240
on things but merely just present what i

641
00:24:05,430 --> 00:24:04,080
found and you know let the reader decide

642
00:24:07,909 --> 00:24:05,440
for themselves

643
00:24:10,149 --> 00:24:07,919
right right um one of the things we you

644
00:24:12,390 --> 00:24:10,159
know i wanted to touch on briefly is um

645
00:24:13,430 --> 00:24:12,400
you mentioned betty and barney hill and

646
00:24:14,549 --> 00:24:13,440
uh

647
00:24:16,710 --> 00:24:14,559
you know the

648
00:24:18,390 --> 00:24:16,720
the abduction thing

649
00:24:19,669 --> 00:24:18,400
when i first when i first actually you

650
00:24:21,190 --> 00:24:19,679
know i had a sighting and when i first

651
00:24:22,149 --> 00:24:21,200
started doing the show

652
00:24:27,430 --> 00:24:22,159
i

653
00:24:30,549 --> 00:24:27,440
you know that's

654
00:24:32,070 --> 00:24:30,559
that's just too too too much too iffy

655
00:24:32,789 --> 00:24:32,080
but then i started thinking about things

656
00:24:35,110 --> 00:24:32,799
like

657
00:24:36,070 --> 00:24:35,120
you know the betty and barney hill case

658
00:24:39,190 --> 00:24:36,080
and

659
00:24:41,269 --> 00:24:39,200
how believable most of that is

660
00:24:43,590 --> 00:24:41,279
and then i remember the allagash case

661
00:24:45,430 --> 00:24:43,600
which was our show last week

662
00:24:48,470 --> 00:24:45,440
you know from way back i just remembered

663
00:24:50,470 --> 00:24:48,480
briefly hearing about it

664
00:24:52,630 --> 00:24:50,480
and then you know travis walton you know

665
00:24:55,430 --> 00:24:52,640
there's some so

666
00:24:57,590 --> 00:24:55,440
solid cases into for me to actually

667
00:24:59,110 --> 00:24:57,600
interview these people sit across from

668
00:25:02,149 --> 00:24:59,120
the table and look them in the eye while

669
00:25:05,909 --> 00:25:02,159
they're telling their story

670
00:25:08,070 --> 00:25:05,919
and not feeling a bit like any of it is

671
00:25:11,510 --> 00:25:08,080
conjectured at all

672
00:25:14,149 --> 00:25:11,520
it really kind of moves me and i had to

673
00:25:16,870 --> 00:25:14,159
i had to jump off that fence and just

674
00:25:18,789 --> 00:25:16,880
say well you know if i i saw a i saw

675
00:25:20,630 --> 00:25:18,799
something that can't be explained

676
00:25:23,350 --> 00:25:20,640
um whether it's from another planet or

677
00:25:26,230 --> 00:25:23,360
not i have no idea but uh

678
00:25:27,990 --> 00:25:26,240
if i if i actually buy into that you

679
00:25:28,870 --> 00:25:28,000
know who's driving these things and and

680
00:25:29,990 --> 00:25:28,880
you know

681
00:25:31,590 --> 00:25:30,000
are there

682
00:25:33,750 --> 00:25:31,600
more things being done

683
00:25:35,590 --> 00:25:33,760
i i currently have

684
00:25:36,789 --> 00:25:35,600
uh i feel like i'm talking a little too

685
00:25:37,990 --> 00:25:36,799
much tonight i'm sorry about that

686
00:25:41,110 --> 00:25:38,000
listeners but

687
00:25:43,350 --> 00:25:41,120
i feel like i have um

688
00:25:44,950 --> 00:25:43,360
a hard time with

689
00:25:47,269 --> 00:25:44,960
like these millions of people that are

690
00:25:50,230 --> 00:25:47,279
saying they're abducted but you know i i

691
00:25:51,830 --> 00:25:50,240
just i don't know i i i can't say for

692
00:25:54,230 --> 00:25:51,840
sure

693
00:25:56,310 --> 00:25:54,240
i agree you know i i guess i feel

694
00:25:58,230 --> 00:25:56,320
similar about that

695
00:26:04,470 --> 00:25:58,240
you know

696
00:26:05,990 --> 00:26:04,480
there's a lot of credible people

697
00:26:08,310 --> 00:26:06,000
involved in some of them you know betty

698
00:26:09,990 --> 00:26:08,320
and barney hill is a perfect example

699
00:26:13,110 --> 00:26:10,000
um you know their credibility is

700
00:26:15,190 --> 00:26:13,120
impeccable um as far as citizens and you

701
00:26:17,510 --> 00:26:15,200
know in their work and just in their

702
00:26:19,830 --> 00:26:17,520
community so you know i feel i think

703
00:26:21,029 --> 00:26:19,840
we're similar in that that regard where

704
00:26:22,789 --> 00:26:21,039
um

705
00:26:25,590 --> 00:26:22,799
i've always been very skeptical of

706
00:26:27,830 --> 00:26:25,600
abduction but there are some cases that

707
00:26:30,149 --> 00:26:27,840
i feel like the people are very credible

708
00:26:31,750 --> 00:26:30,159
and you know i don't see much reason for

709
00:26:33,350 --> 00:26:31,760
them to to you know to kind of put

710
00:26:34,310 --> 00:26:33,360
themselves out there especially in the

711
00:26:35,750 --> 00:26:34,320
case of

712
00:26:37,669 --> 00:26:35,760
you know betty and barney hill where

713
00:26:39,669 --> 00:26:37,679
they were well-known the community they

714
00:26:41,430 --> 00:26:39,679
were interracial couple in new hampshire

715
00:26:44,149 --> 00:26:41,440
in the early 60s there you know there's

716
00:26:46,149 --> 00:26:44,159
a lot of they both had good jobs there

717
00:26:47,909 --> 00:26:46,159
was a lot of reasons why

718
00:26:49,750 --> 00:26:47,919
they wouldn't want to bring that sort of

719
00:26:53,029 --> 00:26:49,760
attention on themselves

720
00:26:54,789 --> 00:26:53,039
so you know to me their credibility and

721
00:26:55,830 --> 00:26:54,799
those sort of things you know i think

722
00:26:57,669 --> 00:26:55,840
you know

723
00:26:59,269 --> 00:26:57,679
makes me really think that those cases

724
00:27:01,990 --> 00:26:59,279
you know do have the potential to be

725
00:27:03,669 --> 00:27:02,000
good cases yeah i know you don't you

726
00:27:05,669 --> 00:27:03,679
know you mentioned on our private

727
00:27:08,390 --> 00:27:05,679
conversation you weren't ready to jump

728
00:27:09,990 --> 00:27:08,400
in full blast into the uh the abduction

729
00:27:10,950 --> 00:27:10,000
you know cases but

730
00:27:11,990 --> 00:27:10,960
um

731
00:27:16,470 --> 00:27:12,000
if

732
00:27:18,630 --> 00:27:16,480
abducting

733
00:27:20,310 --> 00:27:18,640
humans have you ever thought of

734
00:27:22,070 --> 00:27:20,320
why they'd be doing it has that ever

735
00:27:23,590 --> 00:27:22,080
crossed your mind that's actually i'm

736
00:27:24,630 --> 00:27:23,600
sort of reading off the message board a

737
00:27:26,470 --> 00:27:24,640
question

738
00:27:28,630 --> 00:27:26,480
um yeah well i guess you know just

739
00:27:29,669 --> 00:27:28,640
before i answer that you know as far as

740
00:27:31,990 --> 00:27:29,679
you know what i've done with new

741
00:27:33,750 --> 00:27:32,000
hampshire ufo research where i spent

742
00:27:35,750 --> 00:27:33,760
this you know i'm specific to new

743
00:27:38,230 --> 00:27:35,760
hampshire i've looked you know at the

744
00:27:40,149 --> 00:27:38,240
betty and bonnie hill case a great deal

745
00:27:41,909 --> 00:27:40,159
and abductions that have been claimed to

746
00:27:44,470 --> 00:27:41,919
happen in new hampshire so i have looked

747
00:27:46,630 --> 00:27:44,480
at them to a certain degree but as far

748
00:27:48,710 --> 00:27:46,640
as my personal research you know i've

749
00:27:49,909 --> 00:27:48,720
i've chosen to

750
00:27:52,789 --> 00:27:49,919
you know to

751
00:27:54,870 --> 00:27:52,799
just focus more on cases with police and

752
00:27:56,470 --> 00:27:54,880
military and you know things with more

753
00:27:58,149 --> 00:27:56,480
tangibles involved but that's not

754
00:28:00,870 --> 00:27:58,159
because i don't think abduction is a

755
00:28:03,269 --> 00:28:00,880
valid area of research it's just

756
00:28:06,470 --> 00:28:03,279
for my personal interest you know it

757
00:28:09,110 --> 00:28:06,480
just falls in that area a bit more

758
00:28:12,710 --> 00:28:09,120
um so i'm sorry what was the question

759
00:28:17,190 --> 00:28:14,230
what would be the purpose of the

760
00:28:19,510 --> 00:28:17,200
abductions um you know that the ets were

761
00:28:22,310 --> 00:28:19,520
doing if it were ets

762
00:28:23,590 --> 00:28:22,320
you know i can only theorize um

763
00:28:25,669 --> 00:28:23,600
you know and there's been a lot of

764
00:28:27,750 --> 00:28:25,679
theories thrown around um

765
00:28:31,029 --> 00:28:27,760
you know some of my theories of why

766
00:28:34,310 --> 00:28:31,039
people are abducted you know possibly

767
00:28:36,549 --> 00:28:34,320
checking environmental

768
00:28:38,710 --> 00:28:36,559
things with the earth as far as you know

769
00:28:40,310 --> 00:28:38,720
whether we're absorbing chemicals or you

770
00:28:42,789 --> 00:28:40,320
know it could be things of that nature

771
00:28:45,269 --> 00:28:42,799
our evolution

772
00:28:47,110 --> 00:28:45,279
you know there could be any number of

773
00:28:49,750 --> 00:28:47,120
things if there are indeed people

774
00:28:51,430 --> 00:28:49,760
abducting you know people

775
00:28:53,190 --> 00:28:51,440
there could be a number of things so i

776
00:28:55,110 --> 00:28:53,200
mean i'm pretty wide open on it you know

777
00:28:56,470 --> 00:28:55,120
i think that if there are people you

778
00:28:58,230 --> 00:28:56,480
know abducting

779
00:29:00,149 --> 00:28:58,240
people on earth i think that there's any

780
00:29:02,470 --> 00:29:00,159
number of you know scientific reasons

781
00:29:03,990 --> 00:29:02,480
that they would be doing that

782
00:29:06,310 --> 00:29:04,000
right right

783
00:29:08,789 --> 00:29:06,320
someone just alerted me to another way

784
00:29:10,710 --> 00:29:08,799
to look at questions here

785
00:29:12,470 --> 00:29:10,720
through the dark matter

786
00:29:14,950 --> 00:29:12,480
hashtag on twitter

787
00:29:18,789 --> 00:29:14,960
so i i just was totally distracted there

788
00:29:20,630 --> 00:29:18,799
for a second so um

789
00:29:23,110 --> 00:29:20,640
i just i thought it occurred to me while

790
00:29:25,510 --> 00:29:23,120
you were talking a minute ago there

791
00:29:28,630 --> 00:29:25,520
i wonder if there are any cases of

792
00:29:30,470 --> 00:29:28,640
actual police officers or

793
00:29:32,230 --> 00:29:30,480
you know someone in that level that

794
00:29:33,909 --> 00:29:32,240
claim to be abducted are you aware of

795
00:29:38,630 --> 00:29:33,919
anything like that

796
00:29:40,789 --> 00:29:38,640
know the only cases you know other than

797
00:29:41,830 --> 00:29:40,799
the new hampshire cases you know talking

798
00:29:43,510 --> 00:29:41,840
kind of

799
00:29:45,029 --> 00:29:43,520
country-wide you know i know i've heard

800
00:29:46,870 --> 00:29:45,039
of a few cases where cops have

801
00:29:48,950 --> 00:29:46,880
encountered things in their police car

802
00:29:50,310 --> 00:29:48,960
and you know the cars have been damaged

803
00:29:52,630 --> 00:29:50,320
there's been some alleged physical

804
00:29:54,549 --> 00:29:52,640
damage but yeah no i've never there very

805
00:29:56,710 --> 00:29:54,559
well could be but i haven't heard of one

806
00:29:58,230 --> 00:29:56,720
yeah yeah uh that would be interesting

807
00:29:59,269 --> 00:29:58,240
to find out you know i know this uh

808
00:30:04,149 --> 00:29:59,279
lonnie

809
00:30:06,710 --> 00:30:04,159
zamora out in um new mexico

810
00:30:10,630 --> 00:30:06,720
you know back way back in the 60s and by

811
00:30:13,029 --> 00:30:10,640
the way race ray stanford who wrote

812
00:30:15,590 --> 00:30:13,039
the soccoro flying saucer

813
00:30:17,269 --> 00:30:15,600
years ago he was the first investigator

814
00:30:19,590 --> 00:30:17,279
besides alan

815
00:30:22,149 --> 00:30:19,600
j heineck on the case

816
00:30:24,149 --> 00:30:22,159
he was there and he's going to be on our

817
00:30:26,070 --> 00:30:24,159
show in just a few weeks it'll be good

818
00:30:28,310 --> 00:30:26,080
to have him on oh well that'll be a

819
00:30:29,110 --> 00:30:28,320
great guest yeah he hasn't done too many

820
00:30:29,990 --> 00:30:29,120
so

821
00:30:30,950 --> 00:30:30,000
um

822
00:30:32,950 --> 00:30:30,960
so

823
00:30:33,669 --> 00:30:32,960
we're not going to go you know deep into

824
00:30:35,909 --> 00:30:33,679
the

825
00:30:37,510 --> 00:30:35,919
abduction cases but

826
00:30:39,830 --> 00:30:37,520
you know i do kind of question it just

827
00:30:41,430 --> 00:30:39,840
seems like there's

828
00:30:43,430 --> 00:30:41,440
is it possible

829
00:30:45,269 --> 00:30:43,440
that all these people that are claiming

830
00:30:47,430 --> 00:30:45,279
they're abducted and we're talking in

831
00:30:48,549 --> 00:30:47,440
the tens of thousands

832
00:30:50,710 --> 00:30:48,559
and

833
00:30:51,990 --> 00:30:50,720
around the united states maybe even you

834
00:30:54,230 --> 00:30:52,000
know some people are claiming that it

835
00:30:55,669 --> 00:30:54,240
might be up to a million people uh i

836
00:30:57,029 --> 00:30:55,679
don't know if you've ever heard that but

837
00:30:59,269 --> 00:30:57,039
uh

838
00:31:01,029 --> 00:30:59,279
i i hadn't heard that number no

839
00:31:03,350 --> 00:31:01,039
yeah

840
00:31:04,950 --> 00:31:03,360
uh uh have you ever heard of

841
00:31:07,110 --> 00:31:04,960
yvonne smith

842
00:31:09,110 --> 00:31:07,120
i have not yeah she's out in california

843
00:31:11,750 --> 00:31:09,120
she was actually on coast to coast the

844
00:31:13,990 --> 00:31:11,760
other night and she is

845
00:31:15,990 --> 00:31:14,000
someone that does

846
00:31:17,269 --> 00:31:16,000
hypnotic regressions

847
00:31:18,630 --> 00:31:17,279
so she's going to be on our show in

848
00:31:19,509 --> 00:31:18,640
august as well

849
00:31:20,710 --> 00:31:19,519
and

850
00:31:23,269 --> 00:31:20,720
i talked to her when i was out in

851
00:31:24,389 --> 00:31:23,279
california last fall and sat and talked

852
00:31:27,590 --> 00:31:24,399
with her

853
00:31:29,430 --> 00:31:27,600
but

854
00:31:32,230 --> 00:31:29,440
we had some very strange things happen

855
00:31:34,549 --> 00:31:32,240
in her in her studio and uh that thing

856
00:31:36,470 --> 00:31:34,559
did not come out there was uh this is

857
00:31:38,630 --> 00:31:36,480
such a bizarre thing i almost i almost

858
00:31:40,149 --> 00:31:38,640
hate to talk about it but

859
00:31:43,190 --> 00:31:40,159
when i played the thing back there was

860
00:31:46,789 --> 00:31:45,430
and i could not edit it out and

861
00:31:49,430 --> 00:31:46,799
so i called her up and it says you know

862
00:31:51,909 --> 00:31:49,440
that show we did together is no good we

863
00:31:53,430 --> 00:31:51,919
can't use it and

864
00:31:55,830 --> 00:31:53,440
she asked why and i said the chanting

865
00:31:57,190 --> 00:31:55,840
she goes oh that again or something like

866
00:32:03,110 --> 00:31:57,200
that

867
00:32:04,870 --> 00:32:03,120
bizarre so but anyway um

868
00:32:05,830 --> 00:32:04,880
let's talk about

869
00:32:07,590 --> 00:32:05,840
um

870
00:32:09,750 --> 00:32:07,600
in new hampshire

871
00:32:11,350 --> 00:32:09,760
since you're focusing on that you're

872
00:32:13,190 --> 00:32:11,360
saying that there's you'd like to stick

873
00:32:15,430 --> 00:32:13,200
to the police and military

874
00:32:17,430 --> 00:32:15,440
are there some military cases i'm just

875
00:32:20,070 --> 00:32:17,440
not aware of any

876
00:32:22,149 --> 00:32:20,080
well you know i mean i do look at pretty

877
00:32:25,029 --> 00:32:22,159
any you know anything from new hampshire

878
00:32:26,070 --> 00:32:25,039
um but i like those cases because you

879
00:32:26,870 --> 00:32:26,080
know there's

880
00:32:28,870 --> 00:32:26,880
in

881
00:32:30,470 --> 00:32:28,880
there's project blue book documents

882
00:32:32,549 --> 00:32:30,480
there's you know there's newspaper

883
00:32:34,710 --> 00:32:32,559
articles there's you know there's things

884
00:32:36,710 --> 00:32:34,720
that you can you can go and retrieve so

885
00:32:39,830 --> 00:32:36,720
i find that i like those um you know

886
00:32:41,750 --> 00:32:39,840
there's besides the internet and exeter

887
00:32:43,990 --> 00:32:41,760
which is uh involved the police

888
00:32:45,029 --> 00:32:44,000
obviously in exeter new hampshire

889
00:32:46,230 --> 00:32:45,039
um

890
00:32:48,549 --> 00:32:46,240
there's been

891
00:32:51,110 --> 00:32:48,559
there's quite a few that were part of

892
00:32:53,430 --> 00:32:51,120
the blue book files that had to do with

893
00:32:55,750 --> 00:32:53,440
pease air force base

894
00:32:58,870 --> 00:32:55,760
so there are quite a few there

895
00:33:00,230 --> 00:32:58,880
you know i i have a a longtime friend

896
00:33:02,950 --> 00:33:00,240
and family friend

897
00:33:05,509 --> 00:33:02,960
that ended up in that in the area

898
00:33:07,990 --> 00:33:05,519
because he he was at stationed at peace

899
00:33:10,630 --> 00:33:08,000
for many many years and he worked

900
00:33:13,029 --> 00:33:10,640
actually in a family business that that

901
00:33:14,950 --> 00:33:13,039
my father had and um so i got to know

902
00:33:17,990 --> 00:33:14,960
him real well and he's like now in his

903
00:33:19,990 --> 00:33:18,000
uh he's in his mid-70s and i saw him a

904
00:33:22,230 --> 00:33:20,000
few months ago and i said to him

905
00:33:24,470 --> 00:33:22,240
uh hey joe while you're at peas does

906
00:33:25,830 --> 00:33:24,480
anyone ever talk about ufos

907
00:33:27,430 --> 00:33:25,840
and he said he looked at me his eyes

908
00:33:30,149 --> 00:33:27,440
kind of bugged out and he said

909
00:33:34,789 --> 00:33:32,549
so i think that's total disinformation

910
00:33:36,710 --> 00:33:34,799
yeah that's funny it's funny but yeah

911
00:33:39,750 --> 00:33:36,720
there was you know um it's what's

912
00:33:42,470 --> 00:33:39,760
interesting is is that at the time

913
00:33:44,710 --> 00:33:42,480
roswell happened the 509th bomb group

914
00:33:46,389 --> 00:33:44,720
was stationed at roswell which is you

915
00:33:48,549 --> 00:33:46,399
know the most elite bomb group they

916
00:33:53,190 --> 00:33:48,559
dropped the nuclear bombs

917
00:33:55,190 --> 00:33:53,200
and in 1958 they moved from roswell to

918
00:33:56,950 --> 00:33:55,200
pease air force base

919
00:33:58,630 --> 00:33:56,960
so that's an interesting connection

920
00:34:00,470 --> 00:33:58,640
there that you know from that point

921
00:34:02,710 --> 00:34:00,480
forward for 58

922
00:34:04,230 --> 00:34:02,720
the 509th bomber group was there and you

923
00:34:06,630 --> 00:34:04,240
know there's a number if you go over the

924
00:34:08,629 --> 00:34:06,640
blue book cases a number of actual where

925
00:34:10,869 --> 00:34:08,639
there were radar hits on one case i've

926
00:34:12,550 --> 00:34:10,879
been looking at where there was

927
00:34:15,270 --> 00:34:12,560
up to 18

928
00:34:17,349 --> 00:34:15,280
radar unknown radar targets and jets

929
00:34:20,950 --> 00:34:17,359
were scrambled they were registered on

930
00:34:22,310 --> 00:34:20,960
three different radar systems and um you

931
00:34:24,629 --> 00:34:22,320
know

932
00:34:26,869 --> 00:34:24,639
blue book which unless a lot of people

933
00:34:28,149 --> 00:34:26,879
may not know a lot of time they kind of

934
00:34:29,909 --> 00:34:28,159
assigned

935
00:34:31,829 --> 00:34:29,919
explanations to some of the you know a

936
00:34:33,669 --> 00:34:31,839
lot of the cases that weren't

937
00:34:36,389 --> 00:34:33,679
necessarily

938
00:34:37,990 --> 00:34:36,399
the most scientific explanations

939
00:34:40,310 --> 00:34:38,000
and you know

940
00:34:42,869 --> 00:34:40,320
in the ca in this case

941
00:34:44,629 --> 00:34:42,879
you know there was 18 unknown targets

942
00:34:46,470 --> 00:34:44,639
some of them were changing directions

943
00:34:49,190 --> 00:34:46,480
some of them flew to the coast and went

944
00:34:51,109 --> 00:34:49,200
back out to the water and you know they

945
00:34:52,550 --> 00:34:51,119
were traveling at a good rate of speed

946
00:34:54,230 --> 00:34:52,560
and ultimately

947
00:34:56,869 --> 00:34:54,240
blue book you know said that they were

948
00:34:59,109 --> 00:34:56,879
just false targets and you know it was

949
00:35:00,710 --> 00:34:59,119
completely feasible for there to be 15

950
00:35:02,390 --> 00:35:00,720
false targets but

951
00:35:04,870 --> 00:35:02,400
you know a lot of times the

952
00:35:07,670 --> 00:35:04,880
determinations from blue book it doesn't

953
00:35:09,270 --> 00:35:07,680
really jive with the initial you know

954
00:35:11,109 --> 00:35:09,280
reports um

955
00:35:13,430 --> 00:35:11,119
so you know it's a little tough with

956
00:35:15,430 --> 00:35:13,440
those because where you know a lot of

957
00:35:16,950 --> 00:35:15,440
the blue book determinations they're you

958
00:35:19,190 --> 00:35:16,960
know they're saying oh it's weathers

959
00:35:21,430 --> 00:35:19,200
it's stars it's planets it's

960
00:35:23,750 --> 00:35:21,440
false targets um

961
00:35:26,870 --> 00:35:23,760
you know it's it's tough but you know

962
00:35:29,589 --> 00:35:26,880
the data is pretty compelling right

963
00:35:31,510 --> 00:35:29,599
when i grew up i lived in a little town

964
00:35:34,550 --> 00:35:31,520
called elliott maine and

965
00:35:36,390 --> 00:35:34,560
we were up on a hill and

966
00:35:39,030 --> 00:35:36,400
across the river

967
00:35:40,870 --> 00:35:39,040
we could very clearly see the whole

968
00:35:42,550 --> 00:35:40,880
landing strip of peas

969
00:35:44,950 --> 00:35:42,560
and let me tell you there was always

970
00:35:46,150 --> 00:35:44,960
weird things going on i mean my sisters

971
00:35:47,990 --> 00:35:46,160
and i would sit

972
00:35:49,510 --> 00:35:48,000
on top of the hill and just look out and

973
00:35:50,790 --> 00:35:49,520
watch over there you know because you

974
00:35:52,950 --> 00:35:50,800
know we could see

975
00:35:55,190 --> 00:35:52,960
um you know what looked like weird

976
00:35:56,310 --> 00:35:55,200
planes uh i've seen weather balloons

977
00:35:58,390 --> 00:35:56,320
over there

978
00:36:03,109 --> 00:35:58,400
and uh

979
00:36:07,910 --> 00:36:03,119
f

980
00:36:09,750 --> 00:36:07,920
there you know we saw the whole thing i

981
00:36:11,910 --> 00:36:09,760
mean we the house shook and everything

982
00:36:14,950 --> 00:36:11,920
we ran outside and the big you know ball

983
00:36:17,990 --> 00:36:14,960
of flame over there but i i always felt

984
00:36:20,069 --> 00:36:18,000
that peas was a it was just weird just i

985
00:36:21,990 --> 00:36:20,079
just had this feeling it was a weird

986
00:36:23,910 --> 00:36:22,000
place to live near

987
00:36:25,670 --> 00:36:23,920
yeah i mean it just it seems like you

988
00:36:27,510 --> 00:36:25,680
know the proximity to peas there's been

989
00:36:29,510 --> 00:36:27,520
a lot of you know there's been a lot of

990
00:36:31,990 --> 00:36:29,520
sightings there you know

991
00:36:34,150 --> 00:36:32,000
since the 60s and you know throughout so

992
00:36:35,670 --> 00:36:34,160
yeah it definitely is a you know it's an

993
00:36:38,069 --> 00:36:35,680
interesting area and it has a lot of

994
00:36:40,310 --> 00:36:38,079
history you know if you read up on it as

995
00:36:41,990 --> 00:36:40,320
far as the military and you know i

996
00:36:43,670 --> 00:36:42,000
believe presidents of land there i

997
00:36:44,550 --> 00:36:43,680
believe that's typically where they fly

998
00:36:51,030 --> 00:36:44,560
in

999
00:36:53,030 --> 00:36:51,040
so it's you know it's it's not as active

1000
00:36:55,670 --> 00:36:53,040
as it was before but it's it's still you

1001
00:36:57,670 --> 00:36:55,680
know a highly used airstrip so

1002
00:36:59,750 --> 00:36:57,680
so uh where can you give a general we

1003
00:37:02,870 --> 00:36:59,760
have on the the chat room we have uh

1004
00:37:04,630 --> 00:37:02,880
some local people to us

1005
00:37:06,390 --> 00:37:04,640
it's always fun to watch what people

1006
00:37:07,510 --> 00:37:06,400
type in where they're from we have

1007
00:37:09,190 --> 00:37:07,520
someone in new hampshire what's a

1008
00:37:10,230 --> 00:37:09,200
general area of new hampshire you live

1009
00:37:15,270 --> 00:37:10,240
in

1010
00:37:17,510 --> 00:37:15,280
peterborough new hampshire okay how

1011
00:37:19,589 --> 00:37:17,520
about that and someone else is in maine

1012
00:37:24,230 --> 00:37:19,599
you know i i live in well west of the

1013
00:37:25,190 --> 00:37:24,240
portland maine area basically and but

1014
00:37:28,150 --> 00:37:25,200
yeah

1015
00:37:29,430 --> 00:37:28,160
so getting back to

1016
00:37:31,270 --> 00:37:29,440
getting back

1017
00:37:32,630 --> 00:37:31,280
to the message board here there is a

1018
00:37:35,670 --> 00:37:32,640
question for you

1019
00:37:36,630 --> 00:37:35,680
if ufos were acknowledged what effect

1020
00:37:39,670 --> 00:37:36,640
would

1021
00:37:41,109 --> 00:37:39,680
that have on the average american

1022
00:37:44,069 --> 00:37:41,119
these are just you know like opinion

1023
00:37:46,230 --> 00:37:44,079
questions sure yeah um i don't know you

1024
00:37:48,069 --> 00:37:46,240
know i think it's tough to say i think

1025
00:37:49,829 --> 00:37:48,079
it would be different for everybody i

1026
00:37:51,829 --> 00:37:49,839
think it you know depends on how

1027
00:37:54,470 --> 00:37:51,839
open-minded they are what their personal

1028
00:37:56,470 --> 00:37:54,480
religious beliefs are um i think it

1029
00:37:58,470 --> 00:37:56,480
would affect everybody different um

1030
00:38:00,950 --> 00:37:58,480
although i think you know with all of

1031
00:38:02,550 --> 00:38:00,960
these possible habitable planets that

1032
00:38:03,750 --> 00:38:02,560
have been found in the last three years

1033
00:38:08,470 --> 00:38:03,760
i think

1034
00:38:10,310 --> 00:38:08,480
subliminally are starting to

1035
00:38:11,829 --> 00:38:10,320
get a little bit more open to it maybe

1036
00:38:13,990 --> 00:38:11,839
people that weren't you know i think

1037
00:38:16,069 --> 00:38:14,000
that that's that's been kind of a you

1038
00:38:18,790 --> 00:38:16,079
know a quiet thing that's gone on that i

1039
00:38:21,510 --> 00:38:18,800
think you know that doesn't necessarily

1040
00:38:23,270 --> 00:38:21,520
mean that you know ufos seen around you

1041
00:38:25,670 --> 00:38:23,280
know earth or aliens flying through

1042
00:38:27,510 --> 00:38:25,680
space but you know i think just the

1043
00:38:29,109 --> 00:38:27,520
having people shown that hey there's a

1044
00:38:31,670 --> 00:38:29,119
lot of planets out here that could

1045
00:38:33,589 --> 00:38:31,680
harbor life i think it's harder for

1046
00:38:35,349 --> 00:38:33,599
people to kind of ridicule about that

1047
00:38:37,349 --> 00:38:35,359
you know so i guess i think it would

1048
00:38:39,910 --> 00:38:37,359
affect everybody different um i think

1049
00:38:41,589 --> 00:38:39,920
people would be very curious

1050
00:38:43,430 --> 00:38:41,599
about it you know so i think there'd be

1051
00:38:45,109 --> 00:38:43,440
a lot of curiosity

1052
00:38:46,950 --> 00:38:45,119
yeah absolutely and i i think you're

1053
00:38:49,349 --> 00:38:46,960
right i think we're really heading

1054
00:38:50,550 --> 00:38:49,359
toward more of uh

1055
00:38:52,950 --> 00:38:50,560
you know

1056
00:38:54,470 --> 00:38:52,960
of a place where people will accept if

1057
00:38:55,349 --> 00:38:54,480
it ever is uh

1058
00:38:57,109 --> 00:38:55,359
you know

1059
00:38:59,270 --> 00:38:57,119
hard facts i think they'll accept it a

1060
00:39:00,950 --> 00:38:59,280
lot easier because of that kind of like

1061
00:39:03,750 --> 00:39:00,960
the clip i played earlier and the people

1062
00:39:05,589 --> 00:39:03,760
i just threw that on in chicago um you

1063
00:39:07,190 --> 00:39:05,599
know the woman saying you know i would

1064
00:39:08,630 --> 00:39:07,200
be foolish to think that we're the only

1065
00:39:11,190 --> 00:39:08,640
things alive

1066
00:39:13,430 --> 00:39:11,200
out here you know and i agree

1067
00:39:15,190 --> 00:39:13,440
yeah i agree as well

1068
00:39:16,710 --> 00:39:15,200
okay another one here what are your

1069
00:39:19,750 --> 00:39:16,720
thoughts no i'm not screening these i'm

1070
00:39:21,589 --> 00:39:19,760
just reading them as i see them so

1071
00:39:23,430 --> 00:39:21,599
so you guys better be nice on the chat

1072
00:39:26,870 --> 00:39:23,440
room oh so what are your thoughts on

1073
00:39:29,190 --> 00:39:26,880
human mutilation reports

1074
00:39:31,109 --> 00:39:29,200
you know that i mean something that i've

1075
00:39:33,190 --> 00:39:31,119
always been fascinated about when i read

1076
00:39:35,270 --> 00:39:33,200
or hear about it um

1077
00:39:37,430 --> 00:39:35,280
but i you know i i don't have a whole

1078
00:39:40,150 --> 00:39:37,440
lot of of opinion on it i find it

1079
00:39:41,829 --> 00:39:40,160
fascinating i've never come across any

1080
00:39:43,910 --> 00:39:41,839
cases in new hampshire that dealt with

1081
00:39:45,589 --> 00:39:43,920
that and i pretty much you know i pretty

1082
00:39:48,550 --> 00:39:45,599
much stick to new hampshire and new

1083
00:39:50,710 --> 00:39:48,560
england so i find it fascinating but

1084
00:39:52,230 --> 00:39:50,720
i've never come across anything in new

1085
00:39:54,390 --> 00:39:52,240
hampshire along those lines well

1086
00:39:57,589 --> 00:39:54,400
speaking of the new hampshire have you

1087
00:39:59,670 --> 00:39:57,599
ever heard of any cattle mutilations

1088
00:40:01,270 --> 00:39:59,680
that i have not yeah

1089
00:40:03,829 --> 00:40:01,280
i know they're you know they're in a lot

1090
00:40:06,630 --> 00:40:03,839
of places in the country i have never

1091
00:40:08,470 --> 00:40:06,640
actually heard of anything you know

1092
00:40:10,790 --> 00:40:08,480
anything close to

1093
00:40:12,550 --> 00:40:10,800
new england myself you know um someone

1094
00:40:14,150 --> 00:40:12,560
out there may be listening and may tell

1095
00:40:15,910 --> 00:40:14,160
me i'm totally wrong

1096
00:40:18,230 --> 00:40:15,920
but uh you just don't you just don't

1097
00:40:19,510 --> 00:40:18,240
seem to hear that yeah it seems like

1098
00:40:21,670 --> 00:40:19,520
it's more you know

1099
00:40:23,190 --> 00:40:21,680
midwest farm farm country you know

1100
00:40:24,950 --> 00:40:23,200
although there are a lot of farms in new

1101
00:40:26,710 --> 00:40:24,960
hampshire you know

1102
00:40:29,190 --> 00:40:26,720
i don't know how much you know cattle

1103
00:40:30,790 --> 00:40:29,200
industry there is here but um yeah no

1104
00:40:32,550 --> 00:40:30,800
that is a very interesting insight i

1105
00:40:33,349 --> 00:40:32,560
haven't really heard of any

1106
00:40:35,589 --> 00:40:33,359
now

1107
00:40:37,030 --> 00:40:35,599
have you heard of any ufo cases and that

1108
00:40:38,870 --> 00:40:37,040
some this is also

1109
00:40:40,710 --> 00:40:38,880
a message board question in the hampton

1110
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beach area

1111
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yes there's actually there's been a good

1112
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amount of

1113
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you know reports in and around hampton

1114
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over the years

1115
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interestingly enough the exeter case

1116
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right as that was coming to an end where

1117
00:40:59,190 --> 00:40:57,839
the cops had gone back out to the field

1118
00:41:02,150 --> 00:40:59,200
with norman muscarella and they

1119
00:41:03,750 --> 00:41:02,160
witnessed the ufo themselves with norman

1120
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they got back to the station and

1121
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somebody had called the operator and

1122
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claimed that some sort of red object was

1123
00:41:12,150 --> 00:41:11,359
chasing them and the phone went dead and

1124
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that

1125
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car i believe the call was put from uh

1126
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hampton beach from a pay phone so

1127
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that there's a little tie into the exit

1128
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case and you know there's been a number

1129
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of things right around that area because

1130
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that's right outside of exeter so there

1131
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have been a number

1132
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yes yeah i actually owned a property

1133
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in northampton new hampshire for a

1134
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number of years so

1135
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i do remember hearing some things

1136
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going on but i don't you know

1137
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it's funny when

1138
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we've talked about this before when

1139
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you may not have a site citing yourself

1140
00:41:50,950 --> 00:41:48,160
a lot of times there's no reason for you

1141
00:41:53,510 --> 00:41:50,960
to really engage in this whole topic but

1142
00:41:55,829 --> 00:41:53,520
you'd hear things i don't know about you

1143
00:41:57,670 --> 00:41:55,839
but i heard things over the years that

1144
00:41:59,190 --> 00:41:57,680
sort of caught my interest but until i

1145
00:42:00,630 --> 00:41:59,200
had a sighting i never really looked

1146
00:42:02,390 --> 00:42:00,640
into the subject

1147
00:42:03,990 --> 00:42:02,400
yeah it was the same way for me i mean

1148
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you know i grew up watching unsolved

1149
00:42:08,550 --> 00:42:07,040
mysteries and sightings and

1150
00:42:10,069 --> 00:42:08,560
you know um

1151
00:42:11,990 --> 00:42:10,079
those sort of shows that were on in the

1152
00:42:13,589 --> 00:42:12,000
80s that you know would deal with ufos

1153
00:42:15,190 --> 00:42:13,599
to a certain degree and so you know i

1154
00:42:17,190 --> 00:42:15,200
was always interested in that sort of

1155
00:42:18,790 --> 00:42:17,200
thing but yeah it wasn't until i had you

1156
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know my personal sighting that i you

1157
00:42:23,510 --> 00:42:21,520
know i really dove in

1158
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and that doesn't happen to everyone you

1159
00:42:27,589 --> 00:42:25,920
know a lot sometimes people

1160
00:42:29,670 --> 00:42:27,599
will have a sighting

1161
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and i would say probably

1162
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i would guess more than half or maybe

1163
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less than half but around that

1164
00:42:39,349 --> 00:42:36,640
um who have a sighting that just you

1165
00:42:41,270 --> 00:42:39,359
know write it off as something else and

1166
00:42:42,230 --> 00:42:41,280
you know and and go on you know what i

1167
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had

1168
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dr seth shostak from the seti

1169
00:42:49,270 --> 00:42:47,680
program on the show um you know he said

1170
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well hey you know i saw something really

1171
00:42:53,589 --> 00:42:51,040
strange in the sky once

1172
00:42:55,670 --> 00:42:53,599
and uh sure enough you know it was uh it

1173
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ended up being a missile launch and you

1174
00:43:01,910 --> 00:42:59,920
know i mean so when someone like him

1175
00:43:04,150 --> 00:43:01,920
has uh a sighting you know he's going to

1176
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look into it a lot more than the average

1177
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person

1178
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and

1179
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he certainly doesn't want to hear that

1180
00:43:13,190 --> 00:43:11,359
there's ufos that's for sure oh

1181
00:43:15,030 --> 00:43:13,200
definitely yeah no that's a you know

1182
00:43:16,950 --> 00:43:15,040
it's a good point i mean you know the

1183
00:43:19,109 --> 00:43:16,960
the more qualified the witness you know

1184
00:43:20,790 --> 00:43:19,119
if they're scientific minded they can

1185
00:43:22,230 --> 00:43:20,800
you know maybe do a bit more research

1186
00:43:24,390 --> 00:43:22,240
look into it more

1187
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um but you know on the same token you

1188
00:43:27,990 --> 00:43:26,480
know at least with the sighting that i

1189
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had and you know i know with a lot of

1190
00:43:31,190 --> 00:43:29,839
other people's sightings

1191
00:43:32,630 --> 00:43:31,200
you know um

1192
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you know sometimes there's

1193
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characteristics of these things that

1194
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really you know

1195
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they really point in the direction of

1196
00:43:44,470 --> 00:43:41,520
something other than you know earthly

1197
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origin you know whether it be the speed

1198
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or the flight characteristics i mean in

1199
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in my case

1200
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this object we saw

1201
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exhibited what i now know as falling

1202
00:43:55,750 --> 00:43:53,520
leaf motion

1203
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which is is a kind of a rocking or

1204
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wobbling as um as it descends

1205
00:44:04,230 --> 00:44:02,079
now um so you know things like that you

1206
00:44:06,150 --> 00:44:04,240
know that's not a you know that's not a

1207
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normal thing that something in the sky

1208
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is going to exhibit so you know whether

1209
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it's that or you know something flying

1210
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at a great rate of speed

1211
00:44:16,390 --> 00:44:14,000
you know these are the things that

1212
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people like um you know

1213
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seth don't mention you know that some

1214
00:44:22,790 --> 00:44:20,480
ufo sightings you know there are

1215
00:44:24,309 --> 00:44:22,800
characteristics which you know cannot be

1216
00:44:26,790 --> 00:44:24,319
explained by

1217
00:44:28,550 --> 00:44:26,800
you know normal means so you know yes

1218
00:44:30,069 --> 00:44:28,560
there are a lot of cases where somebody

1219
00:44:32,150 --> 00:44:30,079
sees a light in the sky and you know it

1220
00:44:34,230 --> 00:44:32,160
could have been a planet or you know the

1221
00:44:36,710 --> 00:44:34,240
missile or whatever but there are also a

1222
00:44:38,950 --> 00:44:36,720
lot of cases the good ones where you

1223
00:44:39,750 --> 00:44:38,960
know there are attributes that just they

1224
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don't

1225
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point to terrestrial oregon

1226
00:44:46,630 --> 00:44:44,880
that's right yep and

1227
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you know there's uh

1228
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there's two things you can think about

1229
00:44:51,670 --> 00:44:50,400
that either just try to forget about

1230
00:44:53,829 --> 00:44:51,680
what you saw

1231
00:44:55,349 --> 00:44:53,839
it's kind of you know i kind of liken it

1232
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to

1233
00:45:05,190 --> 00:44:59,040
think that

1234
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ufos just seem a lot more solid than

1235
00:45:10,710 --> 00:45:08,400
ghosts but um but people see something

1236
00:45:12,470 --> 00:45:10,720
something is going on and but a lot of

1237
00:45:14,470 --> 00:45:12,480
times people they just don't want to

1238
00:45:16,470 --> 00:45:14,480
talk about it now up on the message

1239
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board

1240
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someone from maine just uh

1241
00:45:22,790 --> 00:45:21,280
uh it's hard to see where it went uh

1242
00:45:23,990 --> 00:45:22,800
yeah he had a sighting in mechanics

1243
00:45:27,349 --> 00:45:24,000
falls main

1244
00:45:29,030 --> 00:45:27,359
back in the fall of 2008 but that at

1245
00:45:30,710 --> 00:45:29,040
that time

1246
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um he says he didn't know where to

1247
00:45:36,390 --> 00:45:34,400
report it now i i agree with you

1248
00:45:37,829 --> 00:45:36,400
robert on that statement because when i

1249
00:45:39,030 --> 00:45:37,839
had my sighting

1250
00:45:42,630 --> 00:45:39,040
back in

1251
00:45:44,630 --> 00:45:42,640
2006 i had no idea how to report it

1252
00:45:46,069 --> 00:45:44,640
i called the police department

1253
00:45:48,470 --> 00:45:46,079
it just didn't occur to me to look

1254
00:45:50,309 --> 00:45:48,480
anywhere online and i think that that

1255
00:45:52,069 --> 00:45:50,319
may still happen to the average joe out

1256
00:45:53,589 --> 00:45:52,079
there who sees something they don't know

1257
00:45:56,230 --> 00:45:53,599
where to go with it

1258
00:45:58,470 --> 00:45:56,240
i agree you know i agree it was the same

1259
00:46:00,309 --> 00:45:58,480
case for me i didn't know anything about

1260
00:46:02,309 --> 00:46:00,319
you know ufo research or even how to

1261
00:46:05,030 --> 00:46:02,319
report one um you know when i had my

1262
00:46:07,270 --> 00:46:05,040
first sighting so i didn't report it um

1263
00:46:09,589 --> 00:46:07,280
but yeah you know i think i think it's a

1264
00:46:11,589 --> 00:46:09,599
little easier now you know to find out i

1265
00:46:14,630 --> 00:46:11,599
mean with the internet it's a bit easier

1266
00:46:16,550 --> 00:46:14,640
but yeah it can be difficult um

1267
00:46:18,150 --> 00:46:16,560
you know to find where to report but you

1268
00:46:20,230 --> 00:46:18,160
know i find that these days i mean

1269
00:46:22,790 --> 00:46:20,240
typically you know things get either

1270
00:46:24,950 --> 00:46:22,800
reported to mufon or the national ufo

1271
00:46:26,870 --> 00:46:24,960
reporting center seem to be the you know

1272
00:46:30,150 --> 00:46:26,880
the two places where people will report

1273
00:46:31,750 --> 00:46:30,160
ufos other than local police or military

1274
00:46:32,630 --> 00:46:31,760
bases

1275
00:46:37,589 --> 00:46:32,640
yes

1276
00:46:39,190 --> 00:46:37,599
you know i saw the most spectacular

1277
00:46:41,430 --> 00:46:39,200
thing i ever saw which was much better

1278
00:46:43,430 --> 00:46:41,440
than the ufo i saw and that is i saw

1279
00:46:46,150 --> 00:46:43,440
this big huge fireball

1280
00:46:49,190 --> 00:46:46,160
oh wow and um i didn't know how to

1281
00:46:50,710 --> 00:46:49,200
report it i called pease air force base

1282
00:46:52,390 --> 00:46:50,720
and they were actually you know this was

1283
00:46:54,309 --> 00:46:52,400
uh you know

1284
00:46:56,069 --> 00:46:54,319
30 30 years ago and they were actually

1285
00:46:57,829 --> 00:46:56,079
quite nice

1286
00:46:59,589 --> 00:46:57,839
and you know they didn't there was no

1287
00:47:01,589 --> 00:46:59,599
like ridicule factor like

1288
00:47:03,990 --> 00:47:01,599
the police department gave me the total

1289
00:47:05,190 --> 00:47:04,000
ridicule run around thing

1290
00:47:07,430 --> 00:47:05,200
well it's good that's good that they

1291
00:47:09,190 --> 00:47:07,440
took it serious they should you know and

1292
00:47:11,030 --> 00:47:09,200
a lot of emergency a lot of things that

1293
00:47:12,950 --> 00:47:11,040
people don't realize out there

1294
00:47:14,710 --> 00:47:12,960
um if you had a sighting and it was

1295
00:47:15,910 --> 00:47:14,720
several years ago you can still report

1296
00:47:21,190 --> 00:47:15,920
it

1297
00:47:23,670 --> 00:47:21,200
because i've noticed lately you know

1298
00:47:25,589 --> 00:47:23,680
when i do go on goof on site is that

1299
00:47:28,150 --> 00:47:25,599
there are a lot of

1300
00:47:31,589 --> 00:47:28,160
older cases being reported now you know

1301
00:47:32,390 --> 00:47:31,599
from 60s 70s even earl you know 2000s um

1302
00:47:34,069 --> 00:47:32,400
so

1303
00:47:36,150 --> 00:47:34,079
it does seem like there there is an

1304
00:47:38,470 --> 00:47:36,160
influx of of people reporting older

1305
00:47:40,950 --> 00:47:38,480
cases so that you know that's it's good

1306
00:47:42,549 --> 00:47:40,960
and it's it's worth it because

1307
00:47:44,470 --> 00:47:42,559
you know um

1308
00:47:46,470 --> 00:47:44,480
some researchers somebody could later

1309
00:47:49,270 --> 00:47:46,480
correlate it to another sighting you

1310
00:47:51,030 --> 00:47:49,280
know or so it's worth it to report you

1311
00:47:53,270 --> 00:47:51,040
know even for that just to have it on

1312
00:47:55,670 --> 00:47:53,280
record because you know then that's how

1313
00:47:57,430 --> 00:47:55,680
patterns emerge you know so

1314
00:47:59,190 --> 00:47:57,440
i definitely think it's you know it's

1315
00:48:00,710 --> 00:47:59,200
it's good to at least get the report out

1316
00:48:02,630 --> 00:48:00,720
there that way researchers have the

1317
00:48:04,150 --> 00:48:02,640
information and you know if it warrants

1318
00:48:07,030 --> 00:48:04,160
investigation then somebody can

1319
00:48:09,030 --> 00:48:07,040
investigate it yes we had someone from

1320
00:48:12,390 --> 00:48:09,040
texas was listening to our show back

1321
00:48:14,549 --> 00:48:12,400
when roger marsh was on a few weeks ago

1322
00:48:15,430 --> 00:48:14,559
from mufon and

1323
00:48:17,109 --> 00:48:15,440
they

1324
00:48:19,510 --> 00:48:17,119
went on and on about the sighting

1325
00:48:21,030 --> 00:48:19,520
actually the woman's son had um she's

1326
00:48:21,750 --> 00:48:21,040
probably listening to the show or will

1327
00:48:23,030 --> 00:48:21,760
be

1328
00:48:28,630 --> 00:48:23,040
and

1329
00:48:30,549 --> 00:48:28,640
that's going to be

1330
00:48:32,870 --> 00:48:30,559
reported now in texas

1331
00:48:35,430 --> 00:48:32,880
so great and that was i think several

1332
00:48:37,430 --> 00:48:35,440
years ago so yeah it's a good thing

1333
00:48:38,870 --> 00:48:37,440
because like you just mentioned you know

1334
00:48:40,470 --> 00:48:38,880
that a lot of times it'll help connect

1335
00:48:42,309 --> 00:48:40,480
the dots

1336
00:48:44,069 --> 00:48:42,319
definitely you know it could it could be

1337
00:48:45,510 --> 00:48:44,079
you know a piece that you know links two

1338
00:48:47,349 --> 00:48:45,520
things together you know so it's

1339
00:48:49,030 --> 00:48:47,359
definitely it's definitely good to get

1340
00:48:50,390 --> 00:48:49,040
the info out there

1341
00:48:53,109 --> 00:48:50,400
right right

1342
00:48:55,589 --> 00:48:53,119
so uh we got about eight eight or

1343
00:48:57,750 --> 00:48:55,599
we got eight minutes or so um you know

1344
00:48:59,670 --> 00:48:57,760
and i i was uh just before the show i

1345
00:49:01,910 --> 00:48:59,680
got i got a little i was a little bit

1346
00:49:04,950 --> 00:49:01,920
late getting to my desk here and you and

1347
00:49:07,589 --> 00:49:04,960
i had talked about some topics and uh

1348
00:49:09,829 --> 00:49:07,599
you know ryan i i gotta say i forgot i

1349
00:49:11,030 --> 00:49:09,839
forgot the topics if there's some you

1350
00:49:14,630 --> 00:49:11,040
can think of

1351
00:49:15,670 --> 00:49:14,640
um let me think of what we mentioned

1352
00:49:20,230 --> 00:49:15,680
um

1353
00:49:22,470 --> 00:49:20,240
but you know i could kind of go off of

1354
00:49:23,829 --> 00:49:22,480
what we were just talking about um

1355
00:49:27,510 --> 00:49:23,839
you know

1356
00:49:29,750 --> 00:49:27,520
it's really good for people to report

1357
00:49:31,109 --> 00:49:29,760
stuff but you know then it gets to

1358
00:49:33,829 --> 00:49:31,119
you know one of the critiques that

1359
00:49:35,750 --> 00:49:33,839
people make of mufon where you know

1360
00:49:38,309 --> 00:49:35,760
things are being investigated and

1361
00:49:39,270 --> 00:49:38,319
information is being you know gathered

1362
00:49:41,670 --> 00:49:39,280
but

1363
00:49:43,430 --> 00:49:41,680
you know what is happening with it after

1364
00:49:45,430 --> 00:49:43,440
what you know what is being done with it

1365
00:49:47,829 --> 00:49:45,440
is it is the data being crunched you

1366
00:49:50,069 --> 00:49:47,839
know so you know i think it's good for

1367
00:49:51,829 --> 00:49:50,079
people to report stuff you know but then

1368
00:49:55,430 --> 00:49:51,839
at the same token i think you know one

1369
00:49:57,349 --> 00:49:55,440
thing ufology as a whole could do better

1370
00:49:59,829 --> 00:49:57,359
is um you know

1371
00:50:01,589 --> 00:49:59,839
taking that data and and you know

1372
00:50:03,190 --> 00:50:01,599
crunching it and it makes me think you

1373
00:50:04,870 --> 00:50:03,200
know i've been reading forbidden science

1374
00:50:07,910 --> 00:50:04,880
jacques valerian

1375
00:50:10,390 --> 00:50:07,920
you know he was the first one to do um

1376
00:50:12,870 --> 00:50:10,400
computer categorization of ufo sightings

1377
00:50:14,790 --> 00:50:12,880
and he was doing it back when the ibm

1378
00:50:16,549 --> 00:50:14,800
computers were the size of a room and

1379
00:50:17,750 --> 00:50:16,559
you had to use punch cards to enter the

1380
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information and

1381
00:50:22,710 --> 00:50:20,240
you know for that was like the early 60s

1382
00:50:24,069 --> 00:50:22,720
i believe and then to be here now and

1383
00:50:26,549 --> 00:50:24,079
you know there's been so many great

1384
00:50:29,589 --> 00:50:26,559
researchers that have spent you know

1385
00:50:31,910 --> 00:50:29,599
decades gathering files or you know

1386
00:50:33,910 --> 00:50:31,920
cases and then a lot of times this stuff

1387
00:50:36,790 --> 00:50:33,920
you know just kind of ends up in a

1388
00:50:38,950 --> 00:50:36,800
warehouse or you know will be absorbed

1389
00:50:40,710 --> 00:50:38,960
by another ufo organization but i think

1390
00:50:42,790 --> 00:50:40,720
you know one thing that's important is

1391
00:50:44,470 --> 00:50:42,800
at some point you know it's going to be

1392
00:50:46,150 --> 00:50:44,480
good to start trying to look at that

1393
00:50:48,390 --> 00:50:46,160
stuff a bit more

1394
00:50:51,270 --> 00:50:48,400
and you know try and actually glean some

1395
00:50:53,670 --> 00:50:51,280
information from it you know you look at

1396
00:50:54,549 --> 00:50:53,680
sites like peter davenport's

1397
00:50:56,549 --> 00:50:54,559
site

1398
00:50:57,430 --> 00:50:56,559
you know he's a one-man show

1399
00:50:59,109 --> 00:50:57,440
and

1400
00:51:02,150 --> 00:50:59,119
he gets

1401
00:51:04,150 --> 00:51:02,160
i think hundreds of reports

1402
00:51:06,069 --> 00:51:04,160
come into him per month

1403
00:51:08,470 --> 00:51:06,079
and you know i just wonder what happens

1404
00:51:10,390 --> 00:51:08,480
to that data as well and you know what

1405
00:51:12,630 --> 00:51:10,400
he does with it

1406
00:51:14,549 --> 00:51:12,640
well the good thing you know the thing

1407
00:51:16,390 --> 00:51:14,559
i mean pretty much most of the info i

1408
00:51:18,470 --> 00:51:16,400
mean he posts it all right up on there

1409
00:51:20,309 --> 00:51:18,480
you know other than you know obviously

1410
00:51:22,390 --> 00:51:20,319
people's names and stuff so

1411
00:51:24,230 --> 00:51:22,400
yeah you know i think it would be great

1412
00:51:25,910 --> 00:51:24,240
to see you know these i think are the

1413
00:51:27,990 --> 00:51:25,920
sort of projects that people can get

1414
00:51:31,270 --> 00:51:28,000
involved in that want to do scientific

1415
00:51:33,589 --> 00:51:31,280
minded work in ufology um maybe approach

1416
00:51:36,309 --> 00:51:33,599
peter davenport about trying to do some

1417
00:51:38,309 --> 00:51:36,319
computer analysis of his data or you

1418
00:51:39,829 --> 00:51:38,319
know same thing with mufon maybe start

1419
00:51:42,790 --> 00:51:39,839
taking some of the stuff that has

1420
00:51:44,790 --> 00:51:42,800
accumulated since 1969

1421
00:51:46,950 --> 00:51:44,800
and you know put it in a computer

1422
00:51:49,190 --> 00:51:46,960
approach it with some science um take a

1423
00:51:50,870 --> 00:51:49,200
look at it you know so and that's you

1424
00:51:53,109 --> 00:51:50,880
know that's why i want to really try and

1425
00:51:55,030 --> 00:51:53,119
get you know a research website built

1426
00:51:56,230 --> 00:51:55,040
that way all the cool things that i've

1427
00:51:58,309 --> 00:51:56,240
uncovered

1428
00:52:00,230 --> 00:51:58,319
you know over the past 15 years they're

1429
00:52:02,069 --> 00:52:00,240
going to be there for the next person

1430
00:52:03,670 --> 00:52:02,079
that's interested in it so

1431
00:52:05,270 --> 00:52:03,680
you know they can use it as a stepping

1432
00:52:07,190 --> 00:52:05,280
stone they don't have to spend the years

1433
00:52:08,790 --> 00:52:07,200
going around and you know digging for

1434
00:52:10,230 --> 00:52:08,800
all this stuff they can kind of take it

1435
00:52:12,950 --> 00:52:10,240
from there and take it to a different

1436
00:52:14,710 --> 00:52:12,960
place so you know i i hope i'd like to

1437
00:52:17,589 --> 00:52:14,720
see more of that going on

1438
00:52:19,589 --> 00:52:17,599
yeah yeah that's right and that's a good

1439
00:52:20,790 --> 00:52:19,599
point he puts things up on his site it's

1440
00:52:22,630 --> 00:52:20,800
available

1441
00:52:26,069 --> 00:52:22,640
um and

1442
00:52:28,309 --> 00:52:26,079
i have talked at great length with uh

1443
00:52:29,510 --> 00:52:28,319
another researcher in the in texas

1444
00:52:31,589 --> 00:52:29,520
basically

1445
00:52:32,710 --> 00:52:31,599
and you know he he's been discouraged

1446
00:52:34,950 --> 00:52:32,720
because uh

1447
00:52:37,349 --> 00:52:34,960
he knew something about uh quite a bit

1448
00:52:39,030 --> 00:52:37,359
about a particular case new people

1449
00:52:40,549 --> 00:52:39,040
involved in it had interviewed the

1450
00:52:44,309 --> 00:52:40,559
people involved in it

1451
00:52:47,190 --> 00:52:44,319
and all he wanted was uh to get uh mufon

1452
00:52:49,510 --> 00:52:47,200
to give his name and number for the for

1453
00:52:51,910 --> 00:52:49,520
the person involved

1454
00:52:53,910 --> 00:52:51,920
that filled out a report just to contact

1455
00:52:55,190 --> 00:52:53,920
him if they wanted to

1456
00:52:57,430 --> 00:52:55,200
sort of like we were talking about

1457
00:52:59,109 --> 00:52:57,440
earlier connecting some dots

1458
00:53:01,030 --> 00:52:59,119
on a certain case and you know mufon

1459
00:53:02,950 --> 00:53:01,040
would have no part of it

1460
00:53:04,150 --> 00:53:02,960
you know i understand them being really

1461
00:53:07,510 --> 00:53:04,160
protective

1462
00:53:08,870 --> 00:53:07,520
uh that's important um but there's also

1463
00:53:10,630 --> 00:53:08,880
you know sometimes you need a little

1464
00:53:12,710 --> 00:53:10,640
flexibility if it's gonna

1465
00:53:15,109 --> 00:53:12,720
you know help solve a case

1466
00:53:16,950 --> 00:53:15,119
i agree you know i agree i think that

1467
00:53:18,470 --> 00:53:16,960
you know there that's another topic you

1468
00:53:19,589 --> 00:53:18,480
know trying people trying to work

1469
00:53:21,430 --> 00:53:19,599
together

1470
00:53:23,430 --> 00:53:21,440
you know in ufology i think you know

1471
00:53:25,270 --> 00:53:23,440
that that's something that could you

1472
00:53:26,630 --> 00:53:25,280
know improve but at the same time when

1473
00:53:28,390 --> 00:53:26,640
somebody's working on you know an

1474
00:53:30,390 --> 00:53:28,400
original piece of research i think it's

1475
00:53:31,910 --> 00:53:30,400
important you know for them to

1476
00:53:34,150 --> 00:53:31,920
be ready to

1477
00:53:36,390 --> 00:53:34,160
share it you know before they do but you

1478
00:53:38,470 --> 00:53:36,400
know in a situation like that

1479
00:53:40,710 --> 00:53:38,480
you know there's no reason that mufon

1480
00:53:42,549 --> 00:53:40,720
can't go to that person say look there's

1481
00:53:43,910 --> 00:53:42,559
somebody who wants to talk to you we you

1482
00:53:45,750 --> 00:53:43,920
know we would not give them your

1483
00:53:47,190 --> 00:53:45,760
identity unless we had your permission

1484
00:53:48,790 --> 00:53:47,200
you know

1485
00:53:50,150 --> 00:53:48,800
send us your permission in writing and

1486
00:53:52,470 --> 00:53:50,160
we can connect you you know something

1487
00:53:54,230 --> 00:53:52,480
like that but you know i think that you

1488
00:53:56,230 --> 00:53:54,240
know there has been a lot of that with

1489
00:53:58,150 --> 00:53:56,240
mufon you know i think a lot of people

1490
00:53:59,589 --> 00:53:58,160
have criticized them for you know kind

1491
00:54:01,430 --> 00:53:59,599
of keeping their

1492
00:54:04,470 --> 00:54:01,440
information to themselves and you know

1493
00:54:07,109 --> 00:54:04,480
the one particular case that you know i

1494
00:54:08,950 --> 00:54:07,119
did an article about that was a alleged

1495
00:54:10,870 --> 00:54:08,960
abduction in new hampshire where mufon

1496
00:54:13,109 --> 00:54:10,880
investigated

1497
00:54:13,910 --> 00:54:13,119
the investigator would not reveal who

1498
00:54:19,750 --> 00:54:13,920
the

1499
00:54:21,589 --> 00:54:19,760
he claimed all this evidence yet it was

1500
00:54:23,589 --> 00:54:21,599
never scientifically examined or

1501
00:54:24,470 --> 00:54:23,599
presented

1502
00:54:26,549 --> 00:54:24,480
so

1503
00:54:28,470 --> 00:54:26,559
you know i've seen a little bit of that

1504
00:54:30,630 --> 00:54:28,480
on myself you know with mufon and i

1505
00:54:33,109 --> 00:54:30,640
think you know i think ultimately the

1506
00:54:35,030 --> 00:54:33,119
you know the more info they share with

1507
00:54:37,190 --> 00:54:35,040
people and on their website you know

1508
00:54:38,549 --> 00:54:37,200
obviously respecting people's privacy

1509
00:54:41,349 --> 00:54:38,559
the more they're going to get people

1510
00:54:43,030 --> 00:54:41,359
excited about the subject you know so

1511
00:54:45,589 --> 00:54:43,040
you know i think they maybe could do a

1512
00:54:48,710 --> 00:54:45,599
little better at that um you know we we

1513
00:54:52,069 --> 00:54:48,720
have a situation here where we only got

1514
00:54:54,950 --> 00:54:52,079
a couple minutes left but um

1515
00:54:56,630 --> 00:54:54,960
you and i you know and one of our phone

1516
00:54:58,390 --> 00:54:56,640
chats talked about it

1517
00:54:59,430 --> 00:54:58,400
and i'm not going to point any fingers

1518
00:55:00,789 --> 00:54:59,440
but there are a couple of people

1519
00:55:02,789 --> 00:55:00,799
involved in mufon they're kind of

1520
00:55:05,270 --> 00:55:02,799
whacked i'm going to say it um you know

1521
00:55:07,030 --> 00:55:05,280
there's some really good people um like

1522
00:55:08,789 --> 00:55:07,040
roger marsh that was on our show i

1523
00:55:10,710 --> 00:55:08,799
thought he was really solid

1524
00:55:12,710 --> 00:55:10,720
but i i hate to say it but there's a

1525
00:55:13,670 --> 00:55:12,720
couple of state directors

1526
00:55:15,829 --> 00:55:13,680
that

1527
00:55:18,950 --> 00:55:15,839
um in my humble opinion

1528
00:55:21,030 --> 00:55:18,960
should not be there representing mufon

1529
00:55:22,789 --> 00:55:21,040
yeah you know i mean you know another

1530
00:55:25,109 --> 00:55:22,799
thing and you know obviously i'm you

1531
00:55:26,470 --> 00:55:25,119
know i'm all of my critiques and move on

1532
00:55:28,630 --> 00:55:26,480
you know definitely i mean i'm

1533
00:55:29,670 --> 00:55:28,640
constructive and you know to what you

1534
00:55:31,270 --> 00:55:29,680
just said

1535
00:55:33,190 --> 00:55:31,280
i think that's a good point because what

1536
00:55:35,190 --> 00:55:33,200
i find is there's a there's a lot of

1537
00:55:37,589 --> 00:55:35,200
inconsistency

1538
00:55:39,670 --> 00:55:37,599
from maybe state to state or reach

1539
00:55:42,309 --> 00:55:39,680
region to region with you know the

1540
00:55:44,549 --> 00:55:42,319
quality of maybe the state directors or

1541
00:55:46,710 --> 00:55:44,559
or the sort of things that they're doing

1542
00:55:48,950 --> 00:55:46,720
so you know that's one thing that i've

1543
00:55:49,990 --> 00:55:48,960
noticed that i just think there's you

1544
00:55:51,910 --> 00:55:50,000
know

1545
00:55:54,390 --> 00:55:51,920
there's a lot of discrepancy there and

1546
00:55:57,270 --> 00:55:54,400
you know maybe that you know and also

1547
00:55:58,870 --> 00:55:57,280
having studied the mufon field manual

1548
00:56:01,510 --> 00:55:58,880
you know there's a whole section about

1549
00:56:03,190 --> 00:56:01,520
public relations in there and you know

1550
00:56:04,789 --> 00:56:03,200
some of the things you know i think

1551
00:56:06,630 --> 00:56:04,799
maybe you're alluding to or you know

1552
00:56:08,150 --> 00:56:06,640
things that come to mind you know

1553
00:56:10,789 --> 00:56:08,160
there's people just you know kind of

1554
00:56:13,190 --> 00:56:10,799
speaking out and it's clear they're not

1555
00:56:15,510 --> 00:56:13,200
taking you know mufon as an organization

1556
00:56:17,109 --> 00:56:15,520
maybe and you know they're not

1557
00:56:19,030 --> 00:56:17,119
taking that into consideration that

1558
00:56:21,510 --> 00:56:19,040
they're speaking you know

1559
00:56:23,670 --> 00:56:21,520
on behalf of an organization so you know

1560
00:56:26,470 --> 00:56:23,680
i've seen some of some of that you know

1561
00:56:28,069 --> 00:56:26,480
before and um you know i think maybe you

1562
00:56:29,990 --> 00:56:28,079
know that's just maybe they need to have

1563
00:56:31,430 --> 00:56:30,000
more oversight you know maybe people are

1564
00:56:33,349 --> 00:56:31,440
just allowed to

1565
00:56:35,510 --> 00:56:33,359
you know i'm not really sure i've never

1566
00:56:37,030 --> 00:56:35,520
been a part of mufon so it's hard for me

1567
00:56:39,589 --> 00:56:37,040
to comment but you know i can only

1568
00:56:40,470 --> 00:56:39,599
comment on what i've noticed but um

1569
00:56:43,109 --> 00:56:40,480
yeah

1570
00:56:44,950 --> 00:56:43,119
stone

1571
00:56:46,630 --> 00:56:44,960
for some people you know a lot of people

1572
00:56:48,309 --> 00:56:46,640
are are

1573
00:56:50,710 --> 00:56:48,319
looked at more seriously and they're in

1574
00:56:52,870 --> 00:56:50,720
documentaries because they're part of a

1575
00:56:54,950 --> 00:56:52,880
mufon investigation

1576
00:56:57,349 --> 00:56:54,960
so it has to go with that we only got a

1577
00:56:59,750 --> 00:56:57,359
few seconds left so why don't you throw

1578
00:57:01,950 --> 00:56:59,760
out your uh your website

1579
00:57:05,470 --> 00:57:01,960
sure you can check out my website is

1580
00:57:08,630 --> 00:57:06,870
hampshireuforesearch.blogspot.com and i

1581
00:57:10,789 --> 00:57:08,640
will be working on the new website and

1582
00:57:12,309 --> 00:57:10,799
hopefully we'll have that up next year

1583
00:57:14,670 --> 00:57:12,319
and you can also check me out on

1584
00:57:19,829 --> 00:57:14,680
facebook

1585
00:57:21,430 --> 00:57:19,839
research and also on twitter all right

1586
00:57:23,109 --> 00:57:21,440
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1587
00:57:24,630 --> 00:57:23,119
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1588
00:57:26,950 --> 00:57:24,640
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1589
00:57:29,109 --> 00:57:26,960
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1590
00:57:30,549 --> 00:57:29,119
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1591
00:57:32,870 --> 00:57:30,559
everyone for helping out with the show

1592
00:57:34,230 --> 00:57:32,880
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1593
00:57:37,109 --> 00:57:34,240
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1594
00:57:39,510 --> 00:57:37,119
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1595
00:57:41,589 --> 00:57:39,520
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1596
00:57:43,670 --> 00:57:41,599
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1597
00:57:46,230 --> 00:57:43,680
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1598
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1599
00:57:49,510 --> 00:57:47,920
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1600
00:57:51,829 --> 00:57:49,520
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1601
00:57:53,430 --> 00:57:51,839
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1602
00:57:55,670 --> 00:57:53,440
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